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What should the 21st century novel be? Options
Steven Hall
Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:53:34 PM

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I'd love to have your thoughts on this -

What should a novel be in the Information Age? What traditional elements are vital, which are are important, and which are becoming less so, in your opinion? Should nothing change at all? How should a reader interact with the 21st century novel? Should it be interactive? (are all novels interactive?). What about collective authorship/ownership? What about communities/fans? It seems that fiction is the last area where works are novel covered/remade/remixed, should it stay that way, or would you love to see, say, a David Mitchell version Moby Dick? Should texts be fixed and sacred or always evolving and changing, or somehow both? What about the medium - book, ebook etc etc etc. There's a lot to go at here!

Whatever thoughts you have, I'd love to hear em and I reckon others around these parts would too...

S
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Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 5:39:16 PM
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I think a novel should posses any qualities necessary to tell and enhance the story and what the story means. What ever form that comes in. I know this might sound a bit obvious but I think that is the only criteria that should be required.

I will touch on the novel covered idea, which I think could lead to some interesting things happening. I've got two examples, that while not novels originally I think they would fall into the category. The first one is Wicked: The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West by Gregory Maguire. Wicked tells the tale of Oz through the perspective of the wicked witch. Brilliant book. Also, released more recently, is Fool by Christopher Moore, which is King Lear from the Fool's perspective. I think the revamping of previous works is an interesting idea, but one that should be done with great caution. Just think of all the times you have heard a remake of a song that is complete trash. Now, that I think of it, this might be slightly different then what you had in mind. If you meant a straight retelling, same book essentially, just worded differently by the different author. I dunno, I suppose I would have to read something like that to be sure.
cgsheldon
Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:04:19 PM
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Wow, that is a big question, and I think is very much dependent upon what the author and/or reader consider a novel to be.

If your definition of a novel is a bound stack of paper then you don't really have a lot of room to change or expand upon that; Raw Shark Texts, House of Leaves, A Humument, and unbound books are at the limit of what can be done with a physical book.

But if you are willing to go beyond that definition the possibilities open up; to expand upon what heartbreak said, I think the story should always come first; don't try a gimmick simply for the sake of the gimmick - do it in service of the story.

The Amazon Kindle and associated e-book formats point in a direction that books can go; making the text of the book fully searchable, every word can be looked up in a dictionary, or made into an audio book (admittedly a poor one, with computerised voice and no inflections of a trained actor). There are many times, and I know I'm not the only one, where I've used Amazon's "look inside" feature or Google Book Search to find a particular passage in a book, and then turned to my physical copy of that book to continue reading.

Access to other readers and points of view can also expand a book's scope; while the basic concept of any book discussion forum can be seen as merely an electronic version of the book group, there are differences: all the discussions are searchable and can be referenced, and their global nature involves people and ideas you might never have encountered.

Then there are cases like Twitter - can you write a novel when you are constrained to write 140 words at a time? (see 140novel, Matt Richtel, and Richtel's NY Times blog post on Twillers)

Penguin also tried to experiment with digital fiction with WeTellStories.co.uk; they told one story through Twitter and blogs; another story was mapped out on Google Maps; and yet another was a choose your own adventure-style fairy tale.

Ted Nelson's concepts of transclusion and the Xanadu Project also offer an interesting perspective on the nature of text from the 1960s/70s.

The recent O'Reilly Tools of Change for Publishing conference touched on some of this and included a demo of the print on-demand Espresso Book Machine, for those who don't like electronic books.

And as you noted, Steven, remixing a novel can also be interesting, but you have to either seek the author's permission or argue it as fair use; authors like Cory Doctorow putting Creative Commons licenses on their works certainly opens up the (legal) possibility for the novel to take on a life of its own through fan fiction, etc.
Steven Hall
Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:37:23 PM

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cgsheldon wrote:
And as you noted, Steven, remixing a novel can also be interesting, but you have to either seek the author's permission or argue it as fair use; authors like Cory Doctorow putting Creative Commons licenses on their works certainly opens up the (legal) possibility for the novel to take on a life of its own through fan fiction, etc.


Great posts guys,

I wonder if the difficulty of getting permission for something like this is more a reflection of how we see the novel compared to how we see, say, a song? Lots of songwriters presumably give permission for their songs to be sampled/remixed every day, but it would currently be very odd/difficult to apporach a publisher with a similar pitch (in fact, i know this for sure - I had signed up to an anthology which proposed do exactly this, but the thing eventually collapsed because publishers would not grant permissions). Arguably, the smartest thing Jay Z ever did was release an acapella version of The Black Album, but does the principle translate into literature, or are the two very different beasts?

I recently gave over a large chunk of unused Raw Shark Texts material to be incorporated into a novel constructed entirely out of other people's work. The author is asking some interesting questions about ownership/authorship I think, and I hope he gets the project into print.

S
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Steven Hall wrote:
I recently gave over a large chunk of unused Raw Shark Texts material to be incorporated into a novel constructed entirely out of other people's work. The author is asking some interesting questions about ownership/authorship I think, and I hope he gets the project into print.


Very interesting Steven; that's one to follow.

I also forgot to mention DailyLit.com, for those busy people who live inside their e-mail inboxes and don't have to time to pick up a book, instead they get e-mailed short chunks at intervals of their choosing.
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Henry Jenkins, a professor of media studies, has also done extensive research into transmedia storytelling, "where integral elements of a fiction get dispersed systematically across multiple delivery channels for the purpose of creating a unified and coordinated entertainment experience".

An example would be the similar themes and characters in MZD's House of Leaves and his sister Poe's music CD, Haunted, or The Matrix franchise, which crossed over from films into video games, comics and animation.

See Jenkins' Convergence Culture: Where Old and New Media Collide for more
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Or, if the author really wants to punish themselves, they could set up a wiki; the work would then be under continual revision theoretically forever, with the ability to compare current drafts with previous drafts.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:13:26 PM

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I'm not familiar with the term "21 century novel" but i'll try to suffice.
In this day and age, the "information age" we seem to have everything at our fingertips. Ideas are spread like wildfire and adopted within a heartbeat by any unsuspecting person. Just take a look at how the Rhinoceros Party of Canada, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster became such huge followings .

This introduces the conflict that anyone, at any given moment, will have the exact opposite ideas of you, me, Steven Hall, the Pope, my history teacher, and so forth. And "ideal novel" will never be attained. Is this a problem? Absolutely not. I may be stating the obvious here, but whatever (this also is proving to be more difficult that i initially assessed!!). What i'm trying to say is, with all of the books, ideas, stories, billions of plot lines and characters, front covers, back covers, critical reviews, chapter headings and words, words, words(Hamlet) that there are in the world, past present and future, the 21st century novel is constantly changing. the ideal novel is never as ideal as once seemed. There have been serial novels, graphic novels, conceptual novels, wordless novels, unbound novels, and anything we can think of. Next will come something we could not even have fathomed. A novel does not need to have an advanced story, and as senseless as this might sound, i believe it. Novels have different meanings to everyone. It may be seen as release for the author, release for the reader, a place to escape to, something to deconstruct and assess, or something that is forced upon one in high school. The crux of this issue is basically that, a novel in the 21st century is a novel which cannot be defined. God only knows that one of my friends will think that the new Gossip Girl novel is the greatest thing since sliced bread. But not to my neighbor. Not to me. And not to alot of other people. I really can't say what i'm want to say here. its too hard.

Really, the most ideal novel is life. No one can imitate it, duplicate it, copy it, form it, read it, think it, or feel it more than you can. (and that NOT what i was tying to say... it just seemed fitting :S)

... I feel like i failed this question... I'll think about it more and come back with sentences that actually make sense.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 11:54:18 PM
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In 2006 Slate published an e-mail conversation between two authors, one more eager to play in the digital world than the other, "The 21st-century novel".

On the one hand they offered the idea that some writers might go technophobic, "take our cues from those austere Dogma filmmakers who stick to hand-held cameras and natural lighting and won't even put music in their movies unless an actor in the scene turns on a radio or tunes a flute. We could declare a new doctrine, Phone-damentalism, and purge our fiction—and perhaps our lives—of all the advanced communications technology that seems more and more like separation technology. Then, we could go back to staging those classic scenes where people gather in one room to talk or amass on one battlefield to fight."

Conversely they also looked at the opportunities, some of which we've touched on: weblinks, which can be "symbolic narratives in themselves, and aren't merely used as footnotes or illustrations"; feedback; timing, where the novel "can be written and read, that is, in the same political and cultural moment"; and multimedia.
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Mobile phone novels are very popular in Japan, "meant to be read in 1,000 to 2,000-word (in China) or 70-word (in Japan) chapters via text message on mobile phones"; see "Thumbs Race as Japan’s Best Sellers Go Cellular", New York Times.

I also think this photo by Japanese Internet venture capitalist Joi Ito was very telling:

Steven Hall
Posted: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:00:50 PM

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Some very interesting ideas and links cg, thanks for sharing.
Mia - I don't think you failed the question at all, thank you for your thoughts.

S

ps - On the radio the other day, I heard a doctor saying that a person only develops an opinion on a topic by hearing themselves speak about it. Sounds crazy, but true apparently. Maybe that's why I'm enjoying this thread so much!
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Steven Hall wrote:
On the radio the other day, I heard a doctor saying that a person only develops an opinion on a topic by hearing themselves speak about it. Sounds crazy, but true apparently.


Hmmmm, I'm not sure I understand how that could be possible. Surely it is possible to develop an opinion on a topic in one's own mind. Interesting thought to ponder though.
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Steven Hall wrote:
Some very interesting ideas and links cg, thanks for sharing.


Thank you for asking; I find it a fascinating question, since we are in this state of change, and criticism thereof, from lengthy prose to "txt spk", from "all rights reserved" to "some rights reserved".

I've been remiss in mentioning that there is a think tank that has been examining this, and related, questions for some time - The Institute for the Future of the Book. From their "mission statement": "The printed page is giving way to the networked screen. Unlike the printed book, the networked book is never finished: it is always a work in progress." I also recommend their blog.

See their site for McKenzie Wark's book Gam3r 7h30ry as an example of a possible electronic layout with reader comments for each section of the book.

I also found the cautionary comments by musician Momus interesting, who attended an Institute-hosted debate on the future of the library: "I wondered if it wasn't time for literature to come full circle back to Homer, and become something spoken again rather than written and read -- because computers can do that for us."

And although Momus is rightly concerned about the longevity of digital media versus paper and stone, that doesn't mean there aren't people, such as the Long Now Foundation, trying to solve the problem.

But as Momus notes in his blog we should also keep in mind Marshall McLuhan's "the medium is the message"; to what extent, if any, do we perceive differently Homer's Odyssey on the printed page, the computer screen, or an audiobook? Or is it only "21st century novels" that are different - do we get the same textual impact listening to the audiobook versions of Raw Shark Texts and Only Revolutions, or are they even comparable?
MiaVRO
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cgsheldon wrote:
Mobile phone novels are very popular in Japan, "meant to be read in 1,000 to 2,000-word (in China) or 70-word (in Japan) chapters via text message on mobile phones"; see "Thumbs Race as Japan’s Best Sellers Go Cellular", New York Times.

I also think this photo by Japanese Internet venture capitalist Joi Ito was very telling:


I found something like that here ShortCovers
(i'm a little [alot] 'anti-cellphone' Shame on you so it doesn't apply to me, and i can't check it out)
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I think the 21st century novel should be much like the raw shark texts; involving, having some interactivity (negatives), fragments spread out all over the place so that people have to talk to eachother and meet up to share. finding a passage of code which has to be solved just like in the book... I think this is what's in the future of books.
Sometimes I think books feel too passive, and once you read it it's over. done.
Now, There are much more to explore and find. Find clues to find more clues. interactivity. community.

my thoughts.
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I think books and videogames have something common, and also something to learn from each other... The 21st century novel could be like a videogame: interactive, with more ways for reader to "take part" and make their own decicions (And if there was a videogame about TSRT, I would buy it right away...). I love also the idea of multiple medias: internet is a great tool, with endless possibilities...

But for me, book has never been something passive: every book is interactive in the meaning of readers own interpretations and need of strong concentration and imagination. I actually do not like movies very much, because I just don't like to sit and see someone else telling the story.
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