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Rank: Whale Shark
Groups: Shoal
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Joined: 1/24/2009
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Location: UK
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Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There by Lewis Carroll features a great (and really quite famous) moment a when the the physicality of a single page within the book is used in a very postmodern way, as a narrative device. Don't believe me? click hereThe image on the left is from the front of the page, the image on the right is printed on the reverse. Clever, huh? I seem to remember that in House of Leaves, Mark Z Danielewski uses this same technique to depict a shotgun blast ...can anyone confirm and give page numbers for that? Or am I imagining things? Either way, it's interesting, fitting and kinda wonderful that Alice was discovering the geography of her own book like this way back in 1871. With so many other puzzles, hidden things and tricks and traps for the active reader to explore, do you think the Alice books were the original, postmodern 'interactive' novels that set the stage for books like Raw Shark Texts and House of Leaves? S
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Rank: Unspace Science Committee
Groups: Shoal
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Steven Hall wrote:Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There by Lewis Carroll features a great (and really quite famous) moment a when the the physicality of a single page within the book is used in a very postmodern way, as a narrative device. Don't believe me? click hereThe image on the left is from the front of the page, the image on the right is printed on the reverse. Clever, huh? I seem to remember that in House of Leaves, Mark Z Danielewski uses this same technique to depict a shotgun blast ...can anyone confirm and give page numbers for that? Or am I imagining things? Either way, it's interesting, fitting and kinda wonderful that Alice was discovering the geography of her own book like this way back in 1871. With so many other puzzles, hidden things and tricks and traps for the active reader to explore, do you think the Alice books were the original, postmodern 'interactive' novels that set the stage for books like Raw Shark Texts and House of Leaves? S I think the shotgun blast you are referring to is on pages 231, 232 and 233. Where it shows what would look like a hole through one door (231 and 232) and then the scattered shot embedded in the next door (pg 233). I definitely agree with you on the Alice books. I really want to go back and read them again. Edit: Forgot to say thanks for showing the pictures. They're excellent!
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Rank: Fry
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Location: Florida
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I definitely agree about Alice. I love those books. I do remember going back and reading them just over a year ago and laughing a bit to myself about how they reminded me a little bit of House of Leaves.
And there it was, full of everything and overwhelming nothingness.
Leo went on, a false idea resting in a candy wrapper of societal perfection.
He had no idea what it meant to see, what it meant to know.
And there was no way for me to un-know. No way for me to un-see. No way I could ever shield myself in one of those brightly colored candy wrappers of pretend ignorance.
I think I wanted it that way, to be like Leo, but I knew that would never happen.
~A snippet of things to come.
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Rank: Fry
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Location: Virginia
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Lewis Carroll is fantastic. I actually wrote a 15 page thesis paper on Alice for my English course last year. I think I enjoy the books even more now than I did as a kid. I'd like to think that the Ludovician and the Jabberwocky both evolved from the same single-cell concept. : )
"It's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards."
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Rank: Bede Shark
Groups: Shoal
Joined: 1/24/2009
Posts: 256
Location: Canada
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Actually, "It's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards."
Well, with memory loss (i just learned this today), it usually deteriorates in reverse, not starting with the earliest memories, but with the newest. So, it's working backwards.
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