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Did we ever determine what happened to Gavin the Cat?
Also, seems the door is capital O wide open for a followup / backstory on Mycroft. We know just enough to be satisfied with the story as a drive for Scout, but the potential for more is great.
Finally, based on the title Raw Shark Texts / Rorshach Test, I kept thinking through out that the names were also 'comparatives' for lack of a better word. Not sure if this has been discussed or not... (I'll keep looking and edit accordingly if it has)
Thoughts?
Excellent book.... first book I believe I've devoured in 2 days.
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I didn't catch the Raw Shark Texts / Rorshach Test similary. That makes a lot of sense, really.
And I don't think there's any real consensus on Gavin. I was waiting for him ot pop up aroind, and I'm sure tehre's definetly more to him, but I haven't seen it discussed anywhere yet.
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The only other comparitive name that I've picked up on is Mycroft Ward -- Microsoft Word.
This book resonates with the world in a way that I don't think I've seen (uh, read, I guess) since Jennifer Government (apologies, Steven, for another book reference in this forum... :oops: )
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Un/fortunately I picked up on the title right away and it kind of skewed my expectatations of the book. I'm not a writer -- I'm not that clever. So I was quite pleased to find that my 'Hey! I bet I know what happens' thought was blown out of the water much like the shark.
Trey Fidorous just sets off alarms in the back of my head that it, too, represents something else. Traephadoris? And I kept thinking that 'the first eric sanderson' could be translated as well.
Then I thought about using the code in the book to translate the names. And then (very fortunately) realized that i need to 'enjoy' the book and not try to figure it out. I tend to over-engineer things :)
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Feast wrote:The only other comparitive name that I've picked up on is Mycroft Ward - Microsoft Word.
also, sherlock holmes had a brother named mycroft.
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amongst other photos, i've added one of mycroft ward here.
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Trey Fidorous is a corruption of Tryphiodorus. Tryphiodorus wrote the Odyssey that told the story of Ulysses, which is very interesting in many ways, but a key trick it contains is that it is a Lipogram. Meaning the first book excluded the letter alpha, completely. The second contained no betas. And so on.
Thus, are there lipogrammatic elements in The Raw Shark Texts? Of which the title TRST might be one? Of course, it doesn't have to be TRUST. Could be TRYST.
Funnily enough the first chapter title, A Relic of Something Nine-tenths Collapsed, if you take the capital letters gives ARSNC. Missing E and I perhaps? I know, I know, imagination running wild ...
Food for thought.
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Have you guys seen this?
'If you get the sense, that, say, names in the book contain independent meanings -- hint: say the name of the villainous Mycroft Ward fast -- you're onto something.'
found it on some random website.
i'm probably just being slow or something.
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sallyjupiter wrote:Have you guys seen this?
'If you get the sense, that, say, names in the book contain independent meanings -- hint: say the name of the villainous Mycroft Ward fast -- you're onto something.'
found it on some random website.
i'm probably just being slow or something. the full article is here. from the article, there is also an interesting bit of information on clio. this is what wikipedia had on it.
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Greek mythology again :) cool
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straydan wrote:Trey Fidorous is a corruption of Tryphiodorus. Tryphiodorus wrote the Odyssey that told the story of Ulysses, which is very interesting in many ways, but a key trick it contains is that it is a Lipogram. Meaning the first book excluded the letter alpha, completely. The second contained no betas. And so on.
Interesting find. Definitely a link with the names. Allthough, I was allways under the impression that Homer wrote the Odyssey.
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from wikipedia: Tryphiodorus (correctly but less commonly Triphiodorus), fl. 3rd or 4th century, was an epic poet native to Egypt. His only surviving work is The Capture of Troy, in 691 verses. Other recorded titles include Marathoniaca and The Story of Hippodamea.
His style is partway between that of Nonnus and Quintus Smyrnaeus.
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Clio Aames - Now that is a mighty peculiar name...are there hidden meanings in there somewhere?
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traveler wrote:Did we ever determine what happened to Gavin the Cat? It's been suggested in other posts that Gavin is a very literal representation of Schrödinger's cat. Both existent and nonexistent simultaneously. Very much the way Eric and Scout/Clio are both dead and alive. Also... found something really weird looking for info on clio aames. Not sure weather or not it's a fragment or just a weird messed up PDF file but search for 'claames' on google. the bottom 2 results are lost PDF files. You'll have to highlight the text to see it because it's in white, but it gives of a distinct raw shark text vibe. Also, the only visible characters seem to read Clio Aames, they're overlapped. Check it out.
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About two years ago now, here on Australian television we had an ad for Whiskers cat food where a single guy came home and fed his cat - his cat being called 'Gavin'. It was everyone's favourite commercial for a while because just about everyone who had seen it talked about how 'Gavin' is probably one of the most un-traditional/inappropriate names for a cat. So when Raw Shark Texts came out six months ago, I wasn't really suprised to hear a cat being called Gavin (or Ian), because I'd heard all the theory about inappropriate names before.
Does anyone know where Steven got the cats' names from? Well, until we know, I would like to to take credit for the (sub/unconscious, or even telepathic) power that Australian commercials on the daily lives of people all over the world ^_^
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Some random interesting fact about Clio being the muse of history: she was the daughter of Mnemosyne, the personification of Memory. it's also the name of a river one drinks from before reincarnation to forget past lives and memories.
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Hi all, i just finished reading the italian translation of TRST and got here surfing for some info about the book...so this is my first post in here :)
IMO TRST contains a whole lot of Matrix references (don't really know if the TRST-Matrix connection has been talked about here), so Eric-Scout-Fydorous-Orpheus is really similar to Neo-Trinity-Morpheus-Nebuchadnezzar...and so, Eric's surname is very similar to Neo's surname, Anderson, in the Matrix...am i completely wrong or does this make any sense?
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I was thinking about this sort of thing too. But as I have the sensibility of a ten year I was reminded of my friend who wanted to name his cat after the mischievous cat from Pinnochio, well he messed up and named his cat Cleo (because it is a much more catlike name than say... Ian?) But he messed up and the cats name is actually Figuro instead of Cleo, which was the fish. I think it's interesting that Cleo a very catlike name ended up being the name of the fish. I don't think it has anything to do with the novel but i thought it was a cute connection that I thought of, and you guys are the only ones I can share it with, who would understand.
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The sharing is much appreciated mate ^_^ (oh dear, I just said 'mate'. Forgive me, I've been hanging around my ocker uni friends too much recently!)
On a more relevant note, Cleo and Figaro were only added to the story of [if]Pinocchio[/i] in the Disney film; they didn't appear in the original story by Carlo Collodi (I just checked in my copy of the novel then... oh dear, am such a bookworm!)
Anyway, enjoy the site Random Hero.
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I went looking up names on a "name meaning" website, and then cross referenced it just to make sure. I just thought that they belonged here.
Ian:
God is gracious
Gift from god
Gavin:
Little hawk
White hawk
The hawk of battle
Clio:
From the name cleo (bit confused by this one)
Eric:
Honorable ruler
Complete ruler
SURNAMES-
Sanderson:
The descendant, or son of Sander, a pet form of Alexander (helper of mankind)
Aames:
(can't find this one yet)
And there it was, full of everything and overwhelming nothingness.
Leo went on, a false idea resting in a candy wrapper of societal perfection.
He had no idea what it meant to see, what it meant to know.
And there was no way for me to un-know. No way for me to un-see. No way I could ever shield myself in one of those brightly colored candy wrappers of pretend ignorance.
I think I wanted it that way, to be like Leo, but I knew that would never happen.
~A snippet of things to come.
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