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MiaVRO
Posted: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:50:36 PM

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Now that rawshark.ca is no longer available, is there any place to find the Aquarium Fragment. It was also available at rawsharktexts.com, but that too is gone.
Has it been/can it be posted here somewhere or what?
ehudros
Posted: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:16:47 PM
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Oren wrote:
N - 11

Cal.
...
Calio
yes?
are you awake?
Now Yes
sory
... ...
Cal i feel strange
What do you mean strange ?
I feel like i forgot something important,like left something somewhere by mistake.
Everyone feel like that sometimes. But this did not really happen , beside if you have forgotten somefhing it sign you dont really need it. so dont worry .
... ...
You still worried.
Yes , its like theres ... There is a part of me, right under my ribs which is supposed to be there but its gone.
I have a strange kind of feeling that I should know what is not there, but I can not put my finger on it..
... ... ...
I sound crazy.
Yes, but I think I know what you mean.
And I have a bad feeling. like something bad to happen
Let me ... Nothing bad is happening to you or me, and you are not missing any part of you. Everything all right. Everything all right and you will feel better in the morning..
Thanks.
Shh ... close your eyes and Think about breakfast.
I feel better.
This is what I thought.


I can verify that Negative 11 is in the Hebrew translation of the book.
It's on page 184, printed on a black page.
I can scan it, but it's in Hebrew so I doubt it will be really helpful :)
The translation by Oren pretty much sums it up though.

EDIT:
heartbreak
Posted: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:43:37 PM
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It would be great if you could scan it and post it! It would be excellent! Welcome to the forums.
blanckien
Posted: Friday, May 8, 2009 6:56:36 AM
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thanks ehudros!

that negative makes me wonder which clio he was talking to, because we can't tell if it's a dream or a memory.

if it was the clio in his dreams, then he's probably the second eric sanderson, whose memories we do know have been eaten by the ludovician.

if it was the real clio, and he said this while she was still alive... then that is a different matter entirely. were the first eric's memories already being eaten by the ludovician before clio's death? if so, then uh-oh. that means he didn't sic the ludovician on himself because of her death. so why? could this possibly be more "memento"-like than we think?
blanckien
Posted: Friday, May 8, 2009 7:14:52 AM
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ALSO:

i just googled "the story of mr nobody" (after searching for negatives on ebay, as mr. hall mentioned they might show up there in the "dear producers, please don't cut" thread in the movie area!).

what i came up with were a novel and a song!
Peter Currell Brown: Smallcreep's Day
(A 1965 novel, described as a ‘surreal satire of automation', that inspired Mike Rutherford's first solo album. Side one tells the story of Mr. Nobody, who goes about his daily tasks at the factory, ensnared in a nine to five routine, and a boring life style alleviated by dreams of love.)

(from http://www.progbibliography.de/inspbooks.htm)

if anyone has more information on the lyrics in mike rutherford's first solo album
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallcreep%27s_Day_(album)

i'd love to hear about it.

not sure if any of this has any bearing on negative 13, but, you know, since we can't find it...
blanckien
Posted: Friday, May 8, 2009 8:13:11 AM
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ALSO ALSO:

with regards to negative 8:
http://forums.steven-hall.org/yaf_postst97_Negative-8--Letter-175.aspx

at the very end of the letter, according to the translation, eric1 dreams of "five red wardrobes". but i looked up the actual word for "wardrobe" in the original portuguese text ('armario') and as i suspected, it can also be translated as "cabinet".

does this mean there are five red cabinets, and we've only seen one of them?



addendum: remember the fragment we got from eva signet's blog decryption?
http://rawsharktexts.com/yaf_postst26p2_Eva-Signets-Blog-Decryption.aspx

"a thought about the CABINETS came"

so yes. multiple red cabinets.
MiaVRO
Posted: Friday, May 8, 2009 8:05:57 PM

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blanckien wrote:
ALSO ALSO:

with regards to negative 8:
http://forums.steven-hall.org/yaf_postst97_Negative-8--Letter-175.aspx

at the very end of the letter, according to the translation, eric1 dreams of "five red wardrobes". but i looked up the actual word for "wardrobe" in the original portuguese text ('armario') and as i suspected, it can also be translated as "cabinet".

does this mean there are five red cabinets, and we've only seen one of them?



addendum: remember the fragment we got from eva signet's blog decryption?
http://rawsharktexts.com/yaf_postst26p2_Eva-Signets-Blog-Decryption.aspx

"a thought about the CABINETS came"

so yes. multiple red cabinets.

Oh, I like this discovery!
Way to go, blanckien!
TinMan
Posted: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:40:40 AM

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On evas myspace page, with her friends photos, there is a photo of an electrical junction box with a poster on it that says lostenvelope.com if you go to that website there is an animation of a phone, the letter eric sanderson gets when he wakes up, and a photo of the yellow jeep. You press the button and Dr. Randle. Says a message which says to go to the Merck manuals (medical diagnosis site)and look up memory loss and your disorder. Then use your condition to look up her photos on Flickr. But when I went to flickr I can't find anything, I've tried typing in the disorder and subsequent variations as well as Dr.Randle nothing. Any thoughts?
TinMan
Posted: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:50:19 AM

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Another goodie! while googleing lostenvelope.com there is another site www.theredcabinet.com/it asks for a password when typed in it opens and has a pdf. The pdf is the shark flipbook but at the end it has a list of addresses, can't figure out what they are for yet.
TinMan
Posted: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:58:14 AM

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Right this is weird both the websites I posted earlier, the information has changed! first the merck manual link has different info and now the red cabinet addresses are different, yesterday they were US addresses now they are UK
TinMan
Posted: Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:12:40 AM

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found the stuff on flickr if you type in dissociative amnesia you get doctor_randle(s) photos put them together like the lady says! Light bulb fragment two?
blanckien
Posted: Thursday, June 4, 2009 2:11:06 PM
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hey tinman,

i googled all the addresses in the pdf file from theredcabinet.com/usa/ (http://www.theredcabinet.com/usa/pdf/SharkFlickBookStevenHall.pdf) and they're names and addresses of u.s. bookstores!

is this another book tour?

some of the names are neither related to TRST or the bookstore name, though.
i took the liberty of google-stalking them all, and came up with some interesting results.

anyone care to heckle the following poor souls?

- ellen jarrett in cambridge
she seems to be the contact for porter square books: ellen@portersquarebooks.com

- alison k in austin
possibly an associate professor at ut-austin: akfrazier@mail.utexas.edu

- aislin delaney in pittsburgh
the only thing that comes up is for "aisling delaney", someone who founded some real estate company in dublin. http://www.delaneyestates.ie/
anyone else got any leads?

...oh, wait, was this from the 2007 game? if so, it's been up for a long time.
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=300923
buuuuuut it's in the usa? why doesn't the site have any dates?;_;

anyway, i'm going to look things up in amazon (the "electronic rainforest") just to make sure.



benedict
Posted: Thursday, June 4, 2009 3:46:34 PM
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this was all part of the viral marketing for the raw shark texts... there was a competition in the uk, and then a similar one in the us.
blanckien
Posted: Thursday, June 4, 2009 4:40:25 PM
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darn, i knew it! thanks benedict!
ChrisC
Posted: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 3:22:59 PM
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Hey, I was wondering if anyone has checked the German edition of TRST for any negatives? I've just finished reading the English version and might go and buy the German one if no one has looked there.
Jules
Posted: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:31:39 AM
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Hello everyone

I'm brand new here. I just finished the novel last night. I felt drained after reading it. One of the marks of a great novel that - I felt the same after reading House Of Leaves.

Anyway let me cut to the chase. Last night I found this forum and my jaw dropped when I heard about the existence of these un-chapters. I instantly thought two things - "genius!" and "irritating b*st*rd!" ;-)

Can anyone help me out with what has been found thus far? Via a PM maybe. I'm a book reader rather than a crytologist freak, so really I just want to read the un-chapters, and not have to work so hard at solving clues to do so. Is that horribly wrong of me? Or just lazy? Anyway, big thanks to anyone who can help.

Of course if I start getting a taste for how these things work, I may be able to start helping out in a more active way.

Thanks. Oh, and what a great book!

Jules
MiaVRO
Posted: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:30:10 PM

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Hi Jules
: )
You can find more about unchapters and negatives (as in what has been found, and what's still to find) in the Red Cabinet as well as here, and of course this thread. You might be able to find the Aquarium Fragment (if it's not included in your book) at rawshark.ca (if the site is still up). There is also different content in different editions. If you have an undex/index at the back of your book, that will also help you figure out the whole negative thing.

I'm probably missing alot here, but those are the basics to understanding it, I'd say.

-M.
Jules
Posted: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:18:40 AM
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Thanks MiaVRO, most helpful and I'm most grateful.

Except that I can't seem to access any version of The Aquarium Fragment.

Does anyone have this as an attachment they could send me?

Email address is julesalexgray (at) yahoo.com

Cheers,

Jules
Steven Hall
Posted: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:27:07 PM

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Jules wrote:
Thanks MiaVRO, most helpful and I'm most grateful.

Except that I can't seem to access any version of The Aquarium Fragment.

Does anyone have this as an attachment they could send me?

Email address is julesalexgray (at) yahoo.com

Cheers,

Jules



Hi Jules,

rawshark.ca (and the Aquarium Fragment) should be back soon. Someone decided to attack our server recently (that's why some people's links to the forum might have stopped working for a while) and webguy Paul is sill putting some of our stuff back together.

We're hoping to have everything running again before too long,

S

EDIT: It's back. You just need to look into the eye of the fish...
Jules
Posted: Monday, October 19, 2009 12:42:20 PM
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Thank you Steven. Keep us all posted (I'm sure you will).

Jules
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